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  • #4636

    Scotty MacFly
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    I didn’t know whether to place this under the cast or the take, but since it’s more about a certain technique I posted it here.

    Over the fourth of July my family & I were up in Meeker visiting in-laws and fishing for me. For two days I did nothing but fish. And by the way, I want to thank those of you who brought my attention to water bottles that have a filtration system. I bought a Sawyer and it works great.

    My goal was to do something that Creek brought up about only using one fly only. I have many different dry flies, and most of them I don’t really use all that much, so I thought this would be a great time to experiment. So I decided to use two of my top flies which were the Olive colored BWO & an Adams.

    The first day was overcast and rained a little now & then making me believe the BWO would have the advantage. I fished the North side for about 300 yards with the BWO and did fairly well. I figured with the weather the way it was it would play a certain role in fish activity. After I reached the fork in the river, I came back down and started back up river again only this time with the Adams. I ended up at the fork with a different conclusion.

    The next day was nice & sunny, and I did the whole scenario over again, but this time on the South bank on the same stretch of the river. First the BWO followed by the Adams. Once I reached my destination twice I was surprised at the outcome. Now I only used one fly at a time during this highly scientific experiment, and since I had plenty of time left I thought I’d fish a Double Dry system. So back to the starting line, and after 4 hrs using the DD, I stopped. I was completely convinced at which was the better fly.
    Two full days of fishing roughly forty fish were caught ( I quit counting when I went to the DD system ) and the clear winner is…….the Adams. The fish chose that fly over the BWO many, many times over. It was a landslide.

    #4637

    Creek
    Participant

    Now you need to tie the Adams from sizes #10 to #20. Pick the right size for the situation. You can use them for midges to hoppers. :)

    Use them during a caddis hatch, and you’ll be surprised.

    #4638

    Dry Fly Guy
    Keymaster

    I’ve played around a lot with this kind of scenario, and came to the conclusion that the presentation is much more important than the fly on the end of the line.

    I’ve also concluded that confidence in a fly is a major contributor to success one has with it. That may be simply because I’ve used a particular fly enough to know “how” to fish it successfully. But I’m not so sure that just that little positive mojo goes along way toward catching fish.

    Sounds like a fun experiment Scotty, no matter the outcome, and I’m interested in knowing if it has you moving to just fishing an Adams.

    I’d also be interested in you (or someone else) doing the same thing with a few of my favorite flies. For example; How would an Adams fair against a Griffiths Gnat? Or a Humpy? Or a Royal Coachman? Or even a traditional black ant?

    I fish all of those quite a bit (as well as an Adams). And truth be told, I fish the Adams probably the least of all of them. Maybe I’d catch more fish if I chose an Adams more.

    ~ DFG

    #4639

    Creek
    Participant

    As i’ve posted in the past. I fished just the Adams for a whole year, and caught what seemed like just as many fish. Using just one size doesn’t work well though. Use what I posted above, and pick the right size for the situation, and you’ll be shocked how well it does.

    This is the only fly box I had with me for a whole year. I added the #10 after taking this picture. This is #12 -#20.

    #4640

    Scotty MacFly
    Participant

    DFG, you are reading my mind about challenging the Adams against other flies. I thought of the Humpies and Ants and the others you have mentioned. I’m just really curious on how a certain fly matches up to the other popular ones. I have all summer to play around on this. I know I have had more success with Red Humpies than I have with the Yellow ones. Come late summer I love a flying ant. It’s been a secret weapon of mine for years. That challenge to me will be interesting. The Royal Wulff is another strong competitor.

    I agree that presentation is the #1 thing no argument there, but the BWO didn’t even stack up. Also keeping in mind the whole thing could flip on a different river as well. When I used the double dry system I would change the positions of the flies. I started with the Adams higher up on the tippet with the BWO at the very end. The Adams was getting hit all the time, so I thought it’s the first fly the fish see’s so I switched them around thinking the BWO would get more hits being the first fly. WRONG! I have to admit that this is fun, and it does keep me focused on my presentation better because I don’t want to favor one fly.

    As I do this I will keep posting the results. It would be easier to do this all on the same river, but that aint gonna happen. Well, I guess it could. I guess that’s one way to get to know local waters real well.

    And Creek, yes, different sized flies is also in the plan. I thought of keeping it from #12-#18 when all said and done, but that may change.

    Now I can’t say for sure if I will end up using only one fly like you do Creek, I may stick to maybe the top three, I don’t know. I do know that my flying ant does great everywhere I take it, especially the smaller waters, but not so much the Poudre for some reason. The ST. Vrain Creeks and Boulder Creeks accept the ant very well. The Royal Wulff has done well in all areas as with the Griffiths Gnat and the Renagade. I may only try the Griffiths Gnat because the Renegade looks so close to the same thing.

    This Saturday I will be in the RMNP with a new rookie to fly fishing. After I get him started I may play around with the Adams and Gr. Gnat. But then again, Brook Trout will hit anything. Oh this is going to be one fun summer.

    #4641

    Creek
    Participant

    The reason for the #10 is for hoppers and the Green Drake hatch on the Taylor, and Frying Pan. The reason for the #20 is for fussy fish on the Frying pan, and South Platte. It also works for midges. Of course the other sizes are for the other mayflies, and caddis.

    I was fishing a lot of different waters including still water. I don’t even count creeks, because fish take anything on those.

    I’m not a complete dummy, and gave myself every advantage I could. I stuck with just the Adams, but I would do everything possible to make the fly work. As a couple of examples. If I was fishing a PMD hatch I would use a lot of Frogs Fanny on the fly to lighten it up. If I was fishing for caddis I would trim the bottom of the hackle off. I was also very fussy about matching the right size fly. I have other examples, but you get the idea. Use your imagination. Just using a #14 Adams everywhere won’t be very productive.

    With that said. Always blame presentation, before blaming the fly. Nobody can get it perfect on every cast. That’s the goal though, and by not getting hung up on what fly to use. You become much better at presentation.

    I’ve watched fly fisherman who weren’t very good at presenting a fly drag free. They would always be the guys who change the fly every 5 min. Nobody wants to be that guy. He’s easy to spot. He’s the one with a vest bulging with fly boxes.

    #4642

    Scotty MacFly
    Participant

    I only have one fly box and I only change if I am convinced that they want something else. But I agree with your thought on presentation. It is key. Not only that, but thinking about it today I also agree that fishing creeks isn’t going to be any help, like you said, the fish will take anything.

    The Poudre is the largest river nearest me. I should play with it there. On small creeks the fish will eat a cotton ball.

    The #14 work well on the White River as do #12 and #16. I figured to keep it simple and use a safe medium size. But I do have different sizes. Good point on the size #10. And I never thought about trimming the bottom of the hackle.

    I don’t fish still waters very much at all, I find it not very challenging and too many people. The front range is crowded. I would like to move to the Western Slope, but that’s not in the cards right now. But I find more solitude on the smaller creeks and streams. The Poudre can be bad on weekends, but on Fridays it isn’t too bad. There is room to be alone.

    #4643

    Creek
    Participant

    Yes, still water can be crowded, but in my case still water is high mountain lakes at 11,000+ft. They take a lot of hiking to get to, after driving 4wd roads to get to the trailhead. Hardly anybody is there, if anybody at all. Great fishing for cutthroats.

    #4644

    Grsdlnr
    Participant

    Speaking of stillwater, the predominant lake mayflies are callibaetis and the go-to imitation for them is…a #16 Adams.

    #4645

    JoeFriday
    Participant

    I think size is almost as important as presentation.. and then the actual fly being a distant third. Unfortunately, I have such a hard time seeing anything smaller than an 18 that I probably have a catch rate a third of what it could be if I could fish something smaller. So far I haven’t used a DD setup to counteract that. I think I’ll just go an easier route and fish somewhere that the fish like bigger flies.. like NZ.

    Brett

    #4646

    Creek
    Participant

    That would be a long drive everyday.

    #4647

    JoeFriday
    Participant

    you fish every day? Lucky guy! I was thinking only a couple times a week.

    Brett

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