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  • #7279

    toledotimber
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    I just finished building a(nother) rod. This one is a 7’1″ Chalkstream Light 2/3 wt. blank. So far, I’m in love with it. The issue I’m having is that I can feel a “tick–tock” when going from a false cast to a back cast (and vice versa). The reel seat is cork with a cap and ring hardware.

    I’ve eliminated a loose reel as the culprit, as I took it off and held it in my line hand while still getting the offending feeling. I’ve also tried a second spool with a different line, changed from furled to mono leaders, and of course, tried different casting tempos and “styles.” It seems as though the line might be slapping back and forth in the tiptop guide, but I don’t see it happening as I cast.

    I would pull my hair out, but I’m bald anyway. Anyone have any ideas?

    #7280

    Scotty MacFly
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    Oh my goodness!!!! Welcome back Toledotimber!!

    Yes, I have had that happen.

    1. It could be the line slapping against the rod, but I have noticed it down farther on the rod.

    2. My niece had a bamboo rod made, and casting that it had that ticking sound when right in the middle of the back and forward stroke where the upper part of the rod starts to change unload the cast. It was explained to me that in the ferrule, it was a 2pc rod, being slightly tapered creating a seal around the outer edge making that vacuum seal, the tip of the male ferrule was moving back and forth inside the female part. It doesn’t happen all the time with boo rods, but can. It doesn’t hurt the integrity of the rod any, but it sure can be annoying.

    My bamboo doesn’t tick, but the line does slap a little around the first line guide at times. I need to pay more attention to what I’m doing when it isn’t slapping and copy that motion more.

    #7282

    toledotimber
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    I still lurk around here and there. It is a two-piece rod and I hadn’t thought of the ferrule yet. Good idea.

    Thanks.

    #7284

    Scotty MacFly
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    Yeah, the ferrule would be my #1 guess according to what you said. Like it was explained to me by the maker of my rod, it does happen, but it’s nothing to worry about. You’ll still get a good vacuum seal with it.

    #7301

    Grsdlnr
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    Put a little paraffin around the male ferrule and see if the clicking goes away. The paraffin will temporarily fill any gaps and quiet the clicking. But IMO poor ferrule fit is a problem and may lead to premature wear and breakage.

    Scotty, I can’t agree with what the rodmaker told you. The male end of a metal ferrule should not be tapered to any noticeable degree – it should mike out even to 1 or 2 thousands of an inch at most. The clicking may also be the ferrule was not glued securely to the rod, which is not good. Try the paraffin trick to see whether the click is inside the ferrule or ferrule to bamboo fit.

    #7303

    Scotty MacFly
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    Ok, I worded that all wrong. The ferrule is slightly tapered, yes. But not to where it moves around and clicks. I got it backwards.

    I really messed this up and I apologize. I did happen to talk to my maker this morning and asked him again to be sure, as of literally 5 min. ago.

    The ticking on a ferrule is bad. Slapping line not a problem, just annoying. But a ticking ferrule, not good.

    Again I apologize for my stupidity. It was like a year and a half ago when I talked to him about that same problem. So Toledo, my bad.

    Just so happens that it was the glue holding the bamboo inside the female ferrule. After awhile when tearing it down, the female part came off the rod. It was due to my niece keeping the rod in her car for 6 months with the heat and cold badly effecting it.

    #7305

    toledotimber
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    Well, I just checked for the noise without line through the guides, and I didn’t notice it. So hopefully it’s not the ferrule. I may just have to live with the noise.

    Edit: I also just noticed that the only scuff marks on the male ferrule are where the opening of the female part stops. Poop.

    Maybe I can build up the low spots with super-thin layers of epoxy or something.

    • This reply was modified 1 week, 3 days ago by  toledotimber.
    #7307

    Scotty MacFly
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    I’m not a rod builder, so I won’t offer any suggestions on fixing it. But I wish you lots of luck.

    #7319

    Grsdlnr
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    Absolutely nothing to apologize for, Scotty.

    …the female part came off the rod. It was due to my niece keeping the rod in her car for 6 months with the heat and cold badly effecting it.

    Yeah, a hot car interior is not good – for the glue or for the varnish. It’ll also shorten the life of waders, fly lines and prematurely weaken monofilament tippet. Bad all around.

    Maybe I can build up the low spots with super-thin layers of epoxy or something.

    As a rule, put nothing on nickel silver ferrules. Anything that will attract grit may lead to a stuck ferrule. If you try paraffin to see if it will quiet the clicking, before putting the rod away be sure to clean it all off both inside the female ferrule with denatured alcohol and a Q-tip, and the male with a clean cloth and alcohol – be extremely careful not to get any solvent on the varnish. For a seriously worn male, replating is the only real solution, but…I have used a trick that will work temporarily without any bad consequences – take a small drop of varnish and with your fingers rub it on the male ferrule until it starts to get tacky. Wipe it off with a clean, lint-free cloth and let dry completely before assembling the rod. It’s easily reversible if it doesn’t work – varnish will come off with the proper solvent (epoxy won’t)

    #7365

    toledotimber
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    Seems it was the ferrule. I undid the epoxy and wrap at the female ferrule and cut 3/16″ off. Then I sanded it and cleaned it up before rewrapping/epoxying. I also didn’t wrap it as tightly as the first time (I don’t see how that can make a difference on a graphite rod, but I have read online that it can).

    I think it is fixed, but I have to wait until I can spend a while casting in the yard to be sure.

    Thanks for your thoughts.

    • This reply was modified 5 days, 10 hours ago by  toledotimber.
    #7372

    Scotty MacFly
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    I’m glad you found the problem and was able to fix it quickly before anything worse happened.

    And I’m sorry for the confussion about the ferrule being fine. I worded that all wrong. But the good thing is you fixed it.

    • This reply was modified 4 days, 20 hours ago by  Scotty MacFly.
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