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  • #4911

    Scotty MacFly
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    When it comes to head cement, I can’t figure out which is better between a cement that’s acrylic or one that is water based. I know that an acrylic type like Hard as Hull brand needs a thinner added to it for obvious reasons, as one that is water based can be thinned out with water which is convenient.

    Is one more durable than the other? Orvis sells both, and the water base is always cheaper for what I have seen, which is friendlier on my wallet. But cheaper has it’s limitations.

    What do you all who tie yourself use and why?

    #4912

    Grsdlnr
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    For most of my dries I don’t bother to cement them – just whip finish the fly and done. Most of them wind up in a tree before they come undone. There’s a decade-old bottle of Rumpf cement somewhere in the tying mess. The volume never seems to get lower – I just keep thinning the stuff as it gets old and thick. I do cement stripped quill bodies otherwise they’d be goners after one fish.

    #4913

    Scotty MacFly
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    I have heard on and off that just 3 or 4 good whip finishes are all a fly really needs. If this is true, I am wasting my money on items not needed.

    #4914

    SteveG
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    I just whip finish and don’t bother cementing. Not to be inappropriate on this forum, but for spiders that I tie with Pearsalls silk, I find that waxing the thread before whip finishing helps snug the knot up.

    #4915

    Creek
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    Head cement is like insurance. You may not need it, but if you do, it’s needed.

    My flies last a long time. I don’t know if using head cement has anything to do with it, but it doesn’t make a fly come apart either. So, why not? Even a poor SOB like me can afford it.

    #4916

    Scotty MacFly
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    Your right on SteveG about using wax, it really helps to hold things well like tails & hackle. I try to remember to do that, but I get forgetful at times. Which brings up Creeks opinion as it’s like insurance. Since I do forget to use wax at times I never seem to forget the cement because it’s like the finishing touch.

    My flies seem to last a long while also, and if it is the cement that helps, I can’t really say either. But maybe that’s a new experiment for this year, hmmm. Yes, I think it is.

    I do know when it comes to peacock herl, cement applied on the shank of the hook makes the herl stronger, so I guess there is a use for it. Though what I’m getting from you gents is, it’s personal preference.

    #4917

    Scotty MacFly
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    But still, none of this answers my question about which is better, acrylic or water base.

    #4918

    wheezeburnt
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    Scotty: I’m not sure those terms are mutually exclusive.
    brent

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