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  • #6303

    Scotty MacFly
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    Today something happened that I really enjoy. My son and I went fishing, & that doesn’t happen that often.

    So we grabbed our 10′ rods, him nymphing & I using spiders. Fun times indeed.

    We got to the creek and I helped set him up on a double nymph rig & off he went. I then got my rod out, strung the line through the guides and then opened my bag to find that I forgot my spiders. S.O.B.!

    Ok, looks like I’m nymphing. So we nymphed the day away in the Saint Vrain Creek. It was tough, I will be honest. Fish were scattered and not where you’d think. The fly shop said they put some big ones in there, and there are photo’s to prove it, but we didn’t hook into any. I hooked into 4 fish on the small side.

    After we were done, I wasn’t in a real good mood, though I had a great time just spending time with my son, I realized just how bad of a nympher I must be. Then it hit me. Thank God I prefer dry flies! I also got the idea to keep a box of dries in the truck just in case I forget.

    But all in all, seeing my son on the water instead of in front of a tv playing video games was the best of it all.

    #6305

    Grsdlnr
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    I hooked into 4 fish on the small side

    That’s 4 more fish than I got yesterday. Good onya.

    A day on a river with your son (even if he’s yet to mature into a proper dry fly fisherman 😉 ) is truly priceless.

    #6306

    Scotty MacFly
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    Thank you Grs. Even though the amount of fish I catch means nothing to me next to unlocking the secret into catching them, and to me that has always been the challenging part, and that can take all day. I’d rather just fish, and if they bite, great. If not, just as good. My son can cast well enough for dries, but he still has issues of not checking the surroundings, as in trees and bushes,…..or me. LOL. Roll casting has come naturally to him for some strange reason.

    He’s more into computers and tech things. He wants to be an engineer, and he’s pretty good at math. I hope we can send him to college. I just wish he’d get outside and enjoy what’s out there.

    AS for my son becoming a proper dry fly fisher, I’m working on it. But he needs to get into the sport a little more than he is. Getting him to go fishing is like pulling teeth sometimes. But he’s healthy and happy and doing much better in school than I ever did. And for a Junior in High School, he has stayed out of the typical troubles of a high School student. I’m proud.

    Anyway, the Saint Vrain has always been tough before runoff. It just seems there isn’t any bug activity in it until after the runoff. But I know they are there, I saw some very small nymphs on my wading shoes. But even in the warm afternoon, there was nothing hatching.

    After I get back from Minn., there’s a new creek for me to play in. I forgot the name of it, but it’s in the RMNP. I saw it last year and one of the employees at Laughing Grizzly, the local fly shop, said it was pure dry fly delight on that stream. Plus, no one ever fishes it! Everyone wants to fish the Big T in Moraine Park. I can’t wait to take my bamboo rod up there and try that creek out.

    #6307

    Grsdlnr
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    Sounds great Scotty.

    FWIW, I have a serious love of meadow streams and had a fine day in Moraine Park last July – PMD’s in a gale. Easy to see why “everybody” wants to fish there.

    #6308

    Scotty MacFly
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    Nothing wrong with fishing in meadows. I have been attracted to the meadow below Trail Ridge on the NW side that you can see from the top. It comes from the Poudre lakes, more like two ponds, and travels down till it becomes the Poudre River. But I don’t know if people are allowed down there. I think I read somewhere it is not allowed, but not sure.

    I think Moraine Park is popular because of its convenience in many ways. Plus to fish with elk as an audience is always a pleasure. But I’d rather go upstream where the water is faster and less people.

    The creek that I want to fish is by Sprague and Bear lake. It’s a very pretty piece of water. And its a lot closer than the head waters of the Colorado on the west side. Gas is going up again, so anything on this side would be nice. Plus some of it is covered by the trees, so it should be somewhat protected from the winds. I repeat…somewhat protected.

    #6309

    wheezeburnt
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    Fishing with your son? One of my favourite things (mine’s 33, but we still have a good time). You mention that they ‘put some big ones in there’, so I’m guessing you mean hatchery fish. In my limited experience with hatchery fish, you’d probably be best served with a fly made from spun deer hair, medium brown, trimmed to the size and shape of Purina Trout Chow morsels. That’s what they’re used to, and that’s what they’re looking for. And it fishes dry!
    brent

    #6310

    Scotty MacFly
    Participant

    Thanks Brent! I think I can tie something up that looks like fish pellets. The creek used to be gold medal water for years. At least that’s what people have said. After the flood, T.U. has done some, can I say decorating, repairing the creek to help promote gold medal standards. I have heard a few say they have put some big ones in there, and I would feel comfortable in saying they are probably hatchery fish.

    It can be a tricky creek to fish. I catch more fish on the Poudre on a regular basis. But the Saint Vrain is a creek that one day the fish are on and the next you couldn’t find a fish if you drained it. I have caught some here and there about 12″ long, and for that creek, that’s a big’n. Generally you’ll find them about 8″. Maybe I should go downstream a bit and get out of the high traffic area. Upstream in the canyon gets a lot of attention as well. Whats great about the creek is it’s really different now since the flood. My favorite place is gone and doesn’t even resemble what it was before. Now it’s not even worth fishing.

    I will try your idea Brent, and thanks again. I never would have thought about hatchery fish and pellets. Do you think a small elk or deer hair caddis might work?

    #6311

    wheezeburnt
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    Scotty:
    Wouldn’t surprise me to see a small elkhair caddis work. The ‘purina trout chow’ pattern is kind of an embarrassing story. My daughter’s father in law has a bunch of large ponds that are tied to his cranberry business. One year he got access to a bunch of atlantic salmon about 8 to 10″ long, from an aquaculture operation going out of business. He stocked one of the ponds, and installed an automated feeding system; basically a scheduled pellet flinger. By the time those fish were 18 to 22″, they were still tied to the flinger, but also could be seen grabbing the odd bug off the surface. He invited me to come and get a few fish out for a meal we were going to share. I brought the fly rod and was trying a few dries but he’s a very impatient man and a non-angler, so he grabbed a handful of pellets and tossed them in, causing the fish to boil the water about twenty feet out.
    He was complaining about how ineffective fly fishing was, so I trimmed a buck bug down to size and tossed it in among the next handful of pellets, and ‘fish on’! For the next invite, I actually tied up a bunch of trout pellet patterns. The feeder was empty, so he grabbed a handful of gravel, tossed it in, started the feeding frenzy, and from there I caught a few nice big fish.
    It felt like hunting Holsteins, but it did put food on the table.
    brent

    #6312

    Grsdlnr
    Participant

    Another pellet pattern story – decades ago there was a fly shop in Livingston Manor NY (on the Willowemoc) called The Hatch run by a wonderful older couple, Budge and Dot Loeckle. They had a spring-fed pond on the property which held outsized pellet-fed brook trout – 20″ and up. These pet trout were strictly off-limits to fishing of course but one day in a moment of malt beverage-fueled weakness Budge told me if tied up a barbless Purina Trout Chow fly I could catch and release one (and just one!) Brought him a half-dozen spun out of caribou hair dyed brown and we had a good laugh but I didn’t have the heart to hook one of those dumb domesticated char. I still keep one of the originals in one of my fly boxes, mostly as a reminder of that really cool old gent.

    They closed that place to open another fly shop in Roscoe and I suspect the pond was poached out the day after they moved out. Budge and Dot are long gone now, but their Roscoe shop, the Beaverkill Angler, remains open and is a must stop every time I’m in the Catskills.

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    #6314

    Scotty MacFly
    Participant

    That’s a nice story. I thought about it over night and I have no issues with a very small elk hair pattern because it resembles a fly. But to tie a pellet pattern to me goes against the grain. An egg pattern would be ok because it looks like something natural. To tie a man made pattern to look like a man made substance is like feeding fish a tuna fish sandwich. It would be an abomination, ha ha. Besides, if the challenge isn’t there, I wouldn’t be interested. I’ll stick to traditional dries.

    #6315

    wheezeburnt
    Participant

    Oh, you’re right – there is no way its very sporting. Stocked fish in a put-and-take food fishery? I just viewed it as grocery shopping with some fun thrown in.
    There are patterns that resemble an earthworm. What’s your feeling on those? (admittedly, not a dry fly).
    brent

    #6316

    Scotty MacFly
    Participant

    Ah yes, the frowned upon San Juan Worm. A pattern still imitating a natural living thing. I’m not against it. I don’t use those anymore anyway, and you know what? I have never caught a fish on one. Is that pathetic or what? So if it has never worked for me, I don’t miss it. But around here you will rarely see a persons fly box without one. And it really doesn’t bother me at all. Like I have said in the past, if it’s legal, I don’t care how anyone fishes.

    I do like your idea though of a grocery store with fun thrown in, it made me laugh. I get it.

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