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  • #6327

    Scotty MacFly
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    I somehow have developed a new friendship with a gentleman in Ireland. In fact, I am sending him a fly rod. He tells me that in Ireland, 3wt rods and under are harder to find than a leprechaun. His words, not mine.
    Well, the Lord said if you have two of something, give one to the one who has none. So I am sending him a 3wt rod. Gives me the opportunity to get a 2wt rod. I love it when a plan comes together, lol.

    But we have been having some great conversations over the computer, and I have learned many things about fishing in his country. And he about ours. I have also learned that the problems we have in our country, from the homeless to the government, we share the same problems.

    We found it somewhat interesting that for two people who have never seen each other, and who really don’t know anything much about one another, how we can talk fishing and life in general like two old friends. Then the big question popped up. Why can’t the world do this? I don’t know this guy from Adam really, but being a fly fisher, and being able to pretty much go out and buy a fly rod anytime I want to in any and all configurations, I have compassion for him that in Ireland you have very slim pickings.
    He told me he wants a Classic Trout, so he called Cabelas and Bass Pro, and Cabelas and B.P. was going to charge him with packaging fees and international shipping fees. So he would be spending close to $300 for a $150 rod. He simply can’t afford that with the way they are taxed. Oh, he is sending me money, just in case you were wondering.

    I have no problem doing this, helping someone out 1000’s of miles away. But this post isn’t about me.

    I remember in history, there are stories of war where opposite sides stopped fighting on Christmas day. I am reminded that in the civil war, how a Union soldier and Conf. soldier on opposite sides of a river met out half way on a gravel bar, and traded coffee and tobacco. They stood in silence, one drinking the others coffee, and the other smoking the others pipe. When finished, they just kind of nodded and went back to their side of the river.
    In WWII, American and German troops had a stop fire on some little battlefield during Christmas day. I don’t remember if words were exchanged or if they kept to their own. But as soon as dawn arose the next morning, shooting began again.

    Sad.

    If people from different countries can get along for one day, or communicate over the web and have wonderful conversations everyday, then I have to ask why not the rest of the world. This man in Ireland is really no different from you or me. We have our differences, but we also have a few things in common. But it is the love of fly fishing that got us talking.

    Maybe the rest of the world needs to learn how to fly fish.

    #6328

    wheezeburnt
    Participant

    Nicely expressed, Scotty. If we focused on what we have in common rather than what differentiates us, things would certainly run more smoothly. I suspect our genetic predisposition to be ‘tribal’ works against much in the way of lasting peace and harmony.
    Although not always the case, I find even we fly fishers can be profoundly tribal. First, we seek out other fly fishermen and form clubs and discussion groups and celebrate our newfound friendships and shared interests. Over time, discussion can begin to focus not on what brings us together but what separates us from other anglers (you know, like those disgusting bait flangers and hardware tossers). And from there, we begin to separate on the basis of our specialties. Like ‘ultralight’ or ‘dry fly’ or ‘trout and salmon only’. I’m not criticizing this forum; I find the few members here are VERY accommodating of wetfly backsliding (witness the lengthy discussions of soft hackle spiders and such).
    Carry it further, and you end up in the realm of Halford and Skues: Only dry flies, only upstream, only to a rising fish.
    None of this is by any means ‘wrong’. I think we ALL set specific limitations on our sport (its what makes it both contemplative and ‘sporting’). Where it becomes dangerous and divisive is when we begin to cast aspersions upon, and judge, those who don’t subscribe to our particular sect of the ‘one true religion’. We then begin to ascribe certain negative attributes to the ‘other’ and can disdain or fear them rather than see that, at the root of it all, we all just really enjoy fishing.

    I would offer two related insights that I have gained over the years:
    I have learned virtually NOTHING from talking to people who see the world exactly as I see it;
    and: discussions can be much more enjoyable and insightful if you don’t feel you have to ‘win’ them. (of course, that means actually listening to the other participant instead of planning your rebuttal)
    Whew. I feel better now.
    brent

    #6329

    partsman
    Participant

    Its 7:00 am here, just got up, having coffee and reading this post, a thoughtful and nice way to start the day!
    Mike.

    #6330

    Scotty MacFly
    Participant

    Brent, you are awesome! I really liked what you said & it’s so full of truth. A few words in there I don’t understand, but I get it.☺

    And I laughed about the comment on the lengthy spider thread. Of course, this being The Dry Fly Forum, I must say I had no part in it.😄…..yeah, I did. And I’d do it again too, ha ha.

    Gooood morning Mike!

    #6331

    Grsdlnr
    Participant

    A poignant thread, especially in light of another terrorist outrage in the UK.

    Instead of holding fruitless summit meetings where political leaders talk past one another and pose for photo ops we could put them all in drift boats and float down a river.

    #6332

    Scotty MacFly
    Participant

    You mean like Niagara Falls?

    I heard very little on the last terrorist activity. So when I posted this, it never came to mind until I posted it on another forum. I don’t get into the news like most people, so I stay un-informed on many things.

    Was it ISIS? They need to be taken out. They’re not even human.

    I would bet a $1000 that the normal every day people in the Middle East, Musslem or not, would like to go to bed without fear & get up in the morning & hear the sound of birds singing instead of gun fire.

    I try to respect people for who they are instead of what they are (except ISIS). I don’t care what status you hold in life, what your job is, or what color, race, or religion you have. I am not a respecter of persons. I respect people, well I try anyway cause there are some real jerks out there I just want to punch out. But I respect you all for who you are, Grsdlnr, Brent, Creek, & you as well Mike. I don’t know you guys at all, but you have shown to me who you are from being honest and kind, willing to give advice. I could go on, but you get the picture.

    Yeah, we all have different opinions, and that’s a good thing. I would rather ask you guys questions so I can learn from you instead of me giving advice. I don’t know everything there is to know about fishing, & I never will. Maybe because I don’t want to.

    It is sad about the Manchester attack.

    #6333

    Creek
    Participant

    Good thread. Now, let’s go kill all the nymph fisherman. 😀

    #6334

    Scotty MacFly
    Participant

    Do we get to carry torches and pitchforks to hunt them down like the monsters in the black & white movies?

    Nymph fishers…baaaad.😄

    Dry fly……gooood.

    I’m glad you chimed in Creek. I want to talk with you on something you know more about than anyone I know. I will pm you on the fiberglass forum later.

    • This reply was modified 4 months, 4 weeks ago by  Scotty MacFly.
    #6336

    Grsdlnr
    Participant

    You mean like Niagara Falls?

    :) A bit more drastic than I was thinking – maybe float the Colorado through the Grand Canyon. Under the guise of a bathroom break the guides could leave the most obstinate ones on a sandbar to make their own way out of there.

    #6337

    Scotty MacFly
    Participant

    I’m sorry about the Niagara comment. Here I am talking about respect and being kind, but right now I am dealing with a fisherman who on another forum, lets just say a forum know it all bully, and after him sending me a pm last night I lost it. I know I’m not the most educated, and because of my learning disability, no one has the right to belittle me or anyone else. The worst part is how he worded everything like placing little insults to me all through his PM.

    So I have a deep anger inside right now. But nothing but good thoughts for all of you.

    I do like your idea about the Colorado River. But I like mine better right now to be honest.

    Boy, this thread went in the other direction quick. 😕

    • This reply was modified 4 months, 4 weeks ago by  Scotty MacFly. Reason: Adding
    #6339

    Creek
    Participant

    Was that on the North American forum Scotty? I tried posting on it for awhile but finally left for good a few days ago. Those guys are idiots.

    #6340

    Scotty MacFly
    Participant

    No Creek. I actually have a few friends on that forum who keep asking me not to leave. So I do post things now & then on it, but I am real careful what I post. I posted this thread on it and got positive replies. But to post advice, not anymore.

    I will PM you in a few hours. I have to get my notes out and look them over so I know what to say. It is fishing related.

    #6341

    wheezeburnt
    Participant

    Sorry I dropped out of this discussion. In the spirit of full disclosure, I was away all day fishing from a motorized 22′ canoe on a lake with two buddies, trolling a bullet-head pike fly (one of my gaudy, sparkly Pole Dancer series) with a spinning rod (and later a 6wt fly rod just because I had it along) for smallmouth bass. We had way too much fun. Lots of laughs, sun and fish.
    If that was wrong, I don’t wanna be right.
    (oh, and for the sake of the forum: we saw a couple of bass take insects off the surface toward the end of the day, but by then we were too whipped to care. As penance, when I go picking fiddleheads across the road today, I will take my 3wt and only a box of dries)
    brent

    #6342

    Creek
    Participant

    Not good enough. Scotty…….get the rope!

    #6343

    Scotty MacFly
    Participant

    Brent, as they say in hockey, nice save.

    Creek, as of this morning, lets say being honest and direct, without childish name calling or bad language, gets the job done a lot better than being politically correct.

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