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  • #7713

    Creek
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    Scotty……..I’m getting the urge to fish the North Country Spiders exclusively for the whole year. Just to see how they do and make it more interesting for me. I was going to do it in the past, but never got around to it. I was going to restrict it to the three Stewart flies only, but that might not work. Although it sure would make tying them up a lot easier. I end up using his black spider most of the time anyway, but the other two don’t do as well.

    Thinking.

    #7714

    Scotty MacFly
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    Creek, what about the pain you get when casting a rod? It pretty much took you out of the game last year.
    But you can be the only judge on that, so I wish you the best of luck on it.

    For what I have found, Stewart’s Black Spider is the definite winner of those mentioned. There is a video from Jonathan Barnes where he sort of introduces a black nymph he makes called the Black Magic, and it’s derived from Stewart’s Spider pattern. He said that Stewart recommends black as the primary color of subsurface flies. The black magic is also tied with a soft hackle, so it goes along with what Stewarts Spider does by the movement of the hackle looking as though it’s alive.

    Even when I nymphed regularly, I found that black, brown, and green were the most productive of colors. When run off was happening, I’d go bigger with the nymphs unless I was using white or red. For some reason white and red did well in muddy water and still using small sized nymphs. But normal circumstances, dark colors.

    I did make a wet fly last year wrapping a rubber band around the hook with a black Starling feather for a sparce hackle, with a black plastic bead head, then coating it with UV finish. Kind of a white grub looking wet fly, and son of a gun if it didn’t produce well for me. I need to make some more of those. I even colored some and the green did well too.

    Go for it Creek, what can you lose? The browns down here hit them very hard making fishing with them exciting.

    We ought to make a forum called the Dry & Wet Fly Forum. It’ll surely get some attention from other forums like the Classic Fly Rod Forum.

    #7715

    Creek
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    I’m familiar with the black magic fly. It’s not tied in the Stewart method of wrapping the thread with the hackle to give it the scruffy look. I think that’s part of the success of the Stewart black.

    I’m thinking the black Stewart is taken for the midges which are available year around. It would be a bad choice for a one fly year.

    How about a two fly year. An Adams and the Stewart black. They can be fished separately or as a dropper wet below dry. I like it. I’m going to do it.

    As for my rib. I think it’s healed, but won’t know until I cast. It’s not bothering me to race, so maybe casting won’t either.

    I’ll need a med action light 9′ rod. I don’t have one. Maybe a Redington Classic Trout would be a good choice. I can afford one of those. I don’t want cane or glass. Too heavy at 9′.

    #7716

    Scotty MacFly
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    No, the Black Magic isn’t tied like Stewarts, it’s derived from it. It has a soft hackle collar behind the head.

    I hope your rib is healed so you can fish again.

    I tried the Adams with a spider, and it did work.

    #7717

    Creek
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    After sleeping on it I decided to fish Spiders all year. Something i’ve wanted to do for a long time. I’m getting pretty old, so I better do it now.

    I’m not going to restrict which ones I use. As long as they’re tied in the old classic way and with the original materials as much as possible according to Pritt and Stewart. Some of the game birds aren’t available anymore, so i’ll have to compromise a bit with those.

    It should be a fun challenge. It will be nice to not have to worry about the fly floating. Less stuff I have to carry. 😀

    #7719

    Scotty MacFly
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    Less is more Creek.

    Sounds to me the challenge would be tying them as close to the original as possible.

    Go for it buddy!!

    #7720

    Creek
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    That’s what I gave you. You don’t think they looked like the originals?

    #7721

    Scotty MacFly
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    Creek, they look great, and I know you try at all costs to tie flies the way they were originally done.

    But what I meant was, because of the bird feathers not being available, that alone may be the challenge.

    All I know is the flies you sent me work great. I have about half of them left. Well, less than half really. I used them a lot. 😀

    #7722

    Creek
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    I have a source in the UK that gets me the materials. The ones he can’t get aren’t available anymore. I just don’t tie the ones I can’t get the right materials for.

    You can be sure the ones I sent you are correct in every way. They’re a lot of fun to tie up right. The only thing I can’t do is tie them without a vice like they did in the old days. I tried but I can only tie monsters without a vice.

    Lee Wulff was supposed to be really good at tying without a vice. I talked to an old timer once who watched Lee tie a size #20 Royal Wulff with no vice and he said it looked perfect. That would be hard to do with a vice. Lee was one of a kind and a master at all he did.

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