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  • #6238

    Scotty MacFly
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    AMEN Creek!!

    #6239

    Massimo Magliocco
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    Hi guys, sorry for my late reply.

    Creek, take a look my reply to Scotty about fast water

    Scotty, firstly I’m sorry but I thought you live in UK.
    When I say “fast water” I’m talking of the second and third video that are very similar to our rivers, the first one islam tool fast!!!!
    In my opinion it is not important the rod lenght but how you use it, in other word, you can fight dragging also with a short rod using an appropriate cast. Last but not last, the leader is the true element to fight dragging especially the looped one. Do you know it ?

    #6240

    Massimo Magliocco
    Participant

    Hi guys, sorry for my late reply.

    Creek, take a look my reply to Scotty about fast water

    Scotty, firstly I’m sorry but I thought you live in UK.
    When I say “fast water” I’m talking of the second and third video that are very similar to our rivers, the first one islam tool fast!!!!
    In my opinion it is not important the rod lenght but how you use it, in other word, you can fight dragging also with a short rod using an appropriate cast. Last but not last, the leader is the true element to fight dragging especially the looped one. Do you know it ?

    #6241

    Scotty MacFly
    Participant

    Massimo, don’t worry about late replies, we understand the time difference between our countries.

    I just finished watching the other videos and some of your you tube videos as well. The Italian style is so much faster than the traditional style we are so used to here in the states.

    I’m going to say something I have noticed about the USA, and I mean no offence to anyone, but it’s just the way I see it.
    There are somethings, I repeat, somethings that the USA follows after Europe. And fly fishing is something of that trend. Take Czech nymphing for example. Settle down guys, this is just an example. Czech or Polish nymphing has been around for quite awhile in Europe, and for just the last few years it has become more popular here in the states. People here who generally fish with nymphs use a strike indicator of some kind, and they cast out the line and watch the bobber or indicator float on by waiting for it to move under or whatever. In my understanding, Czech nymphing will catch more, and bigger fish because of the tight contact you have with the fly. And these days, Czech nymphing is starting to get peoples attention.

    Massimo, you have a cast called Angular casting. Where the fly line comes in at a close angle to the surface of the water. I understand it works well when you spot a fish rising and you draw a bead on it and cast to the fish at high speed hitting the target.
    We here in the states hit are targets as well, but the traditional way where the tip of the rod is high and we lower the tip of the rod when the fly drops to the water surface. Most people here would think the way you do it would scare the fish, but evidently it doesn’t. I can see the Italian style with the proper advertising becoming popular here too, but in time.

    I must admit your style looks like fun. I don’t know if I could do all those casts, but some, with a little practice, I can see myself dry fly fishing using your techniques.

    I have one more question. Do you ever snap flies off casting that fast? I saw one video where it showed the line in the air with a big bow in it on the back cast, and then you went into the forward cast so quickly I thought for sure you would have lost your fly.

    AS for the looped leader, you are speaking of using the perfection loop to attach the leader to the tippet? Am I correct? I did see something like that on one of the videos.

    #6242

    Creek
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    Scotty………..You talk to Kelly Galloup in Montana and he’ll tell you he’s been doing a form of nymphing just like Czech nymphing. Long before the Europeans came up with it and put their name on it.

    There’s little new in fly fishing and putting a different name on something doesn’t make it new

    Other than the speed of the casting Massimo is doing I don’t see anything new, except what he calls the casts.The speed of the cast I can’t see as any advantage.

    You’re a good caster Massimo, but I fail to see what you’re doing as anything new.

    Just an honest opinion.

    #6243

    Massimo Magliocco
    Participant

    OK Creek, the views must be respected

    #6244

    Massimo Magliocco
    Participant

    Scotty, the goal of angular cast is land the fly before the leader and the line. I this way you can aim the place where you want land the fly, immagine when a trout is raising and you land the fly after the line and the leader, what can happen ? Line and leader will be caught by the current so when the fly will be land it will be immediately dragged downstream.
    In regard the looped leader, I mean that instead the pieces of the leader are joined by knots they are joined by two micro loops.

    #6245

    Scotty MacFly
    Participant

    You’re right Creek, nymphing in that style has been around a while here, contact nymphing or tight line nymphing like I stated earlier, but it has really become more popular these past few years. I see it more in magazines and t.v. than I have ten years ago. All I’m saying it seems to really be catching on as of late.

    And as for Kelly G. That’s a name I don’t care to utter.

    Now, if the UK and Europe are putting new names on things that we have been doing, I have been ignorant to it. I’ll be the first to admit I don’t know what’s all out there because I like my little world. I don’t like to get caught up in all the new fangled things, and I have found some to be just hype. And I have seen some of Massimo’s casting to be helpful to me.

    Creek, I’m not saying you’re wrong, and that I’m right, I’m saying you have had much more experience and have seen more than I have, but I can’t deny my being intrigued to Massimo’s style. Yes, it is fancy and shiny, and maybe that’s what has my attention, I don’t know. Will every casting style be practical for me no matter who is teaching it? No. I use casts that are practical to me, just like my flies. Salt water flies are not practical, so I don’t tie them.

    OK, better yet, maybe Massimo’s Italian style is nothing new, but some of his casts I have not seen before. I’m not saying those casts have not been performed in the states, but what I am saying is, I have not seen some of them, probably because I walked away too early at the casting expo’s or arrived to late, or not seen the right videos. Massimo is here, in the present, and all this has landed in my lap, and I’m curious, so I want to learn more even if I don’t use any of his techniques or anyone else’s. It isn’t going to hurt me to learn so I am not so ignorant at things.

    One more thing, in Massimo’s reply to me, he says to land the fly before the leader and fly line land, to help prevent drag. I used to do that and caught much crap from other fishermen because they say to let the fly land last. Because if the fly lands first and gets the fish’s attention, the landing of the fly line and leader will scare the fish away. True? I don’t know. But if the fly line lands first, won’t it scare the fish away before the fly lands? Here’s my honest opinion. I don’t think anyone really knows what a fish is thinking. Maybe the fish reacts differently in different water conditions, so yes, your casting must change as well. Low clear water with spooky fish is always difficult, so what do you do? My advice is to keep false casting to a minimum, and if you can just lift the fly off the water and land it softly on target in one shot, that’s even better. But that’s my opinion because it works for me. I have seen situations where it really makes no difference, and it’s up to the person fishing to make that call for themselves.

    Massimo, as for the loop connections, yes, that is what I was thinking. Thank you.

    #6246

    Creek
    Participant

    You need to experiment more with your casting Scotty. Whether it’s figuring it out yourself, or copying someone else.

    I saw nothing Massino did that I haven’t done myself, except the speed of the cast. I call them something else or don’t call them anything, but just do them. Then again I am Italian and have been fly fishing for 65 years. :)

    #6247

    Massimo Magliocco
    Participant

    Creek, I think that better of 1.000.000 of words is do some examples, are you agree ? If it so, I’d like to show you some pictures and talking to each other how we would manage these places with our casts, just in this way we can understand better our technique. Let me know.

    #6248

    Creek
    Participant

    It’s hard to describe a cast with words. I’m not good at that. I fish from instinct. I see a situation and just make up a cast on the spot. So much is involved in what a situation challenges us with. It’s hard to see it all in a picture. One example is it can’t show wind. There’s many more examples. I don’t feel looking at a picture would be enough for me to tell you what cast i’d use. Especially, if I invent a new one for the situation. I may not always know what sort of cast i’ll use until I do it.

    I hope this makes sense to you, but i’m going to pass on the experiment. I have nothing to prove and i’m sure you don’t either.

    #6249

    Massimo Magliocco
    Participant

    OK Creek

    #6250

    Creek
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    Sometimes I can be a grumpy old coot. It’s best to ignore me when i’m like that.

    What you teach is a good thing. I do have a question though. What’s the purpose of casting so fast?

    #6251

    Grsdlnr
    Participant

    Massimo, your style of casting has some similarity to how I try to deal with high wind conditions – which is much of the time in the western US and Canada – keep the cast low, tightest loop possible and high line speed. And beginning the forward cast a bit early because stopping the rod and waiting for the backcast to unroll can let the wind wreak havoc with it. I do most of my trout fishing with bamboo rods which in general don’t lend themselves to high-speed casting styles, but when the wind is up I will turn to a fast, fairly short graphite rod.

    Interesting “hinged” leader design – I’ll have to tie one up and give it a try.

    #6252

    Massimo Magliocco
    Participant

    Gradi, using looped leader you gain about 2 second before fly stars dragging

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