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  • #6069

    Creek
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    I’m going to use one spider. I already use one dry, so no need to change anything.

    The best part is now the leader setup is simple. It’s exactly like a dry fly for me. Which means a furled leader and tippet size to fit the fly. My favorite setup. The whole furled leader can float and fish the spider from the film to 2-3ft down.

    Couldn’t be any easier.

    #6070

    Scotty MacFly
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    Even with what the article said, and I do agree with, I think I will still use two flies.Just because I believe, and this is just for my sake, but I believe it will help my casting control with rhythm and force me to get better loops. Just my theory.

    #6071

    Creek
    Participant

    That seems odd Scotty. I cast open loops when using more than one fly to prevent tangles. Which is another reason to add to the list of using just one fly. I like to cast tight loops and land the fly softly. I can only do that with one fly.

    Presentation is everything for me. I’ve been feeling crappy about fishing spiders, because I always think of using 3 flies at a time. It was really bothering me and goes against everything I love about fly fishing. One dry, spider, or even a small nymph. Fishing upstream with no weight or indicator. No droppers in any form.

    That’s my style Scotty, and i’m not suggesting you do the same. You find what you like best. Just make sure you do what you really love to do and not a method you don’t like but use it because it catches more fish. A worm will catch the most fish. If your only goal is to catch the most fish. Use a worm. If you want to enjoy casting and present the fly in the most delicate manner. Using one fly is hard to beat. If you want the most challenge in fooling trout. One fly is hard to beat. If you want to learn what fly is best to use in the present situation. One fly is hard to beat. Don’t let the trout decide what fly it wants. You decide by using one fly. Then present it to the trout in a perfectly natural manner. That’s fly fishing.

    Just remember Scotty. The number one goal you should have when you go fly fishing is to have fun. Do whatever it takes to reach that goal.

    Ok, i’m off my soapbox. 😀

    #6072

    Scotty MacFly
    Participant

    Good speech. Now I know what I am doing wrong. My loops have been too tight. I keep reading how important it is to have tight loops and I must have forgotten that not every style works with tight loops. That’s one reason & a good example of why I don’t want to read any more articles about how to do this sport. I’m getting everything mixed up together and need to separate some stuff.

    Like I said before in other posts, I like to work on my casting, and that includes presentation. But I like to hunt for fish, and I cast to targets in the water and where I think a fish “could” be. And I work on my presentation to get a good drift. Then if a fish does take….bonus! If a fish does rise and not take, just as good because I know I am reading the water correctly. That’s the game to me. Can I locate fish. That’s the game I like to play. And if a fish takes, I did good. It’s more fun doing that instead of stressing myself out thinking I have to catch a fish to be successful. Don’t get me wrong, I like the fight too, but it’s not as important to me as in technique. We are a lot alike in some ways. We have our own style (similar) but still different. We fish for our own gratification and enjoy the sport for what it is and what it means to us as individuals. As long as it’s legal & honest, it’s all good.

    But a worm? Not this child! I like using 2 flies in slower water, but in the fast pockets that I love so dear, 1 fly only. Anymore than that and my flies get pulled all over the place from the twisted currents.

    #6073

    Grsdlnr
    Participant

    Guys, I’ve known and fished with Jason Klass for 20-some years. He’d be tickled to know one of his old blog posts was referenced here! And I was with him on the SJ trip he mentioned – strictly fishing midge dries we did indeed outfish the indicator-and-2-nymph chuckers but more importantly out-funned them (Is that a word? Well, it is now)

    I’ve never fished multiple nymphs plus an indicator – it seems clumsy and inelegant at best. Though I cannot tell a lie – I have tried using a large dry plus a tiny midge, ant or beetle. The idea was to be able to see the big fly when the little one was lost in glare from the surface. Gave it up – I think the large fly caused more drag.

    #6074

    Scotty MacFly
    Participant

    Hey Grs, nice to have another voice jump in.

    You were with Mr. Klass that day? Cool! I really enjoyed his article that feel posted. It does make so muck sense.
    In Colo. the big thing is the hopper & dropper. I really never understood it, but in Rome, do as the Romans do I guess, and I got caught up in it. And I am tired of it. I want to go back and do it the way my grandpa taught me. Yes, it was with one fly, but that’s how you teach a kid or anyone learning, then they mature in it and experiment at new levels.

    Like I said before, only once did I ever get a double, and I won’t lie, it was exciting. But even with two flies, it does seem the fish will only take one.

    I finished Stewarts book, and with what he said about using 3 flies, and the way Oliver demonstrated it by casting a little above & across to the bank while standing in the middle of the stream, all your doing is covering more water at one time. In so doing, the odds are in your favor to catch a fish because of the wide area you ate covering. But still, watching Oliver, he only caught one fish on one fly at one time. But I am not saying you can’t catch more than one fish on the same drift, because it does happen.

    I see what you all are saying though. It is easier, and Grs, I like the word you used…inelegant. That is the perfect word to describe it. That’s probably why I fish re fast pocket water so much just using one fly. It more personal to me.

    #6075

    Creek
    Participant

    Be yourself Scotty. It shouldn’t matter what others do.

    #6076

    Scotty MacFly
    Participant

    You’re right creek. That’s the only thing I am good at. So I will stick with that.

    You know what? I may not be as advanced a fisherman as you all are, or even the fishing pro’s & celebrities like Lefty Kreh & such. But I do know I have just as much fun as anyone else does in my own way.

    #6110

    Creek
    Participant

    LOL…After all this i’m going back to 100% creek fishing. I tore up a rib which is an old injury I through was healed. It’s one of the reasons I went to creek fishing to begin with. Other than I love it. Creek casts are so short and soft that they don’t bother my rib like longer casts with heavier rods. So, i’ll just fish creeks from now on. I have a bunch of them around me, so no hardship. I dont need expensive waders either. I’ll just get some hippers or maybe some waist highs.

    This will be 98% dries and every now and then I might try a single spider. Creeks should be open in a month or so. That will give me some time to rest my rib.

    I’ll go work on putting together a creek fly box and just putting what I need in my vest.

    #6111

    Scotty MacFly
    Participant

    Sorry about your rib Creek. But at least your looking at the bright side of it.

    I take it the CGR is going to see a lot of action soon?

    #6112

    Grsdlnr
    Participant

    Ouch – heal up quickly there creek.

    #6113

    Creek
    Participant

    Scotty…….I’m going to send you a PM on the glass forum in a couple of minutes.

    #6114

    Scotty MacFly
    Participant

    Got it creek, and I sent a reply.

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