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  • #7124

    Scotty MacFly
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    Here’s a question creek; if ten people who make bamboo rods were to make the same rod, like the Powell B taper, would they all be very similar in action and feel? I know that one maker can make two of the same exact rods, but being bamboo, a natural material, they wouldn’t be exactly the same.

    I think I just answered my question.

    #7130

    Creek
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    Yes, because of the cane they’ll all be a bit different, but that applies to the original master makers too. The important part is the get the taper accurate and they’ll all be very close. We could both cast the same rod and it will feel different to us. I might load the rod more or less than you and get a different impression.

    Fly fishing is interesting because it’s all feel. Trying to make it anything else is a dead end. What feels good to you should be all that’s important to you. Same for me. The same for everybody. So many are confused about that and take the word of others to tell them what they should like. They’re like sheep. Never be a sheep.

    #7134

    The_bat_fly
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    I’m sorry to hear about your misfortune about bank.

    #7135

    Creek
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    Yeah, but what can we do? It’s not an honest world. I think when the bank sends me a new card i’m not going to activate it. I’m going to try to live with cash and money orders. I don’t want this to happen again.

    I’d have a Granger rod coming my way if this didn’t happen. That’s ok. I’ll get one at some point.

    #7137

    Scotty MacFly
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    I was a sheep at one time, but have learned through the years that what you said is truth. It is about feel, and really nothing more.

    I remember my first real fly rod when I came back to this sport from conventional gear. It was a cheap Bass Pro Classic. Decent rod for a beginner, or one coming back to fly fishing, and I thought, I repeat, thought I liked it, till I tried other rods in the same length and weight. More expensive rods. What a difference. I have to say, for the less expensive rods, there are some that I still truly enjoy because of the way they feel casting and playing a fish. The TFO Pro and Pro series II are sweet rods in my opinion for rods below $200. And I really like Elkhorn rods; at least the ones I have tried. I do want to try their Nomad series. They are built with that older traditional feel, where the caster has to slow down a bit.

    I guess what I’m saying is, how does a beginner really know what they like? They wouldn’t know any different or any better on how different rods feel and behave.

    #7165

    Creek
    Participant

    Well, I ordered the rod from Ray just now. He had to raise his prices some, but I can still swing it. He said it should be done in Feb-March. So, that gives me time to save it up. I have one rod I can sell and i’ll put that money towards it.

    Like I said I went with the Powell B9 taper and 8 1/2′ 5wt hollow built. Hollow built gives it a more crisp feel and the Powell taper is super smooth. Plus, it has a lighter feel in hand from hollow building too. It should be a perfect dry fly rod.

    It will be 2pc 2 tip, but I like that. I think they feel smoother without all those hinges from more sections. I don’t travel, so the longer tube is no big deal.

    Good, i’m glad that’s done. It will be the last rod I buy and the only one i’ll be using from now on.

    #7185

    Scotty MacFly
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    Ok, all is good.

    Sorry for the misunderstanding. I have to get a certain amount of meters done, and I just went over that for a good day. I have a guy helping me who has been on turtle time all week and he is slowing me down big time. I need to talk to the boss about it. I can work faster by myself.

    Alright, that’s fantastic creek. Too bad he raised the price, but they all do from time to time.

    That rod sounds perfect for the Ark. creek. And maybe not too much for the smaller creek you fish on your friends private property. Do you still have that sign up with the name of that river in England?

    I agree on the feel thing with less prices. I’m also one who prefers spigots than sleeve type on my other rods if I can get it that way.

    Sorry again creek. I just thought we were still on the line thing when you mentioned silk. I didn’t know you posted a new post. I couldn’t keep up with us and Mr. Turtle here helping me.
    And on top of it all, my son got his drivers license yesterday, and today he is on the road solo going to school and home for the first time. So I have his safety going through my mind all day. I hope you understand. He hasn’t called, and neither has the police or hospital, so I guess he’s fine. I will know when I get home.

    #7186

    Creek
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    No problem. I had a feeling you thought it was about the line.

    #7188

    Scotty MacFly
    Participant

    I never thought seeing a blue Jeep in front of the house would make me so happy. Forgive me, but I will be a little stressed out for a few days till I know he’s going to do ok. Two weeks ago I told him to turn right, and he went left. So you see where my head is at today.

    I don’t know all the details of making a hollowbuilt rod, but I know it has to take time cleaning the pith out of the bamboo without messing up the integrity of it. And to be done in that amount of time, Feb/March, I find that to be astounding. Your friend must be really good at this trade. Or is he not up to his neck with orders?

    Question; it’s the Powell B9 taper you ordered. What does the B9 stand for? It’s stuff like that I don’t understand yet.

    #7193

    Creek
    Participant

    Powell made 3 tapers. The B9 was the most popular and is the middle of the A and C tapers. The B taper is completely progressive meaning it’s a smooth taper from butt to tip. The A taper has a softer tip for a softer overall feel. The C taper is opposite to the A taper with a stiffer tip. Keep in mind the tip is half the rod in a 2pc rod.

    So, the B taper is smooth all the way through the flex. No change as it goes into the butt. Smooth with no high or low spots. Progressive and predictable.

    Make sense?

    Yes, he has all the work he can do. He only builds in the winter and fishes the summer. So, he’s just started to build and take orders. I’m actually #5 on the list. He’ll stop taking orders soon. He won’t take more than he can get done before spring. That’s why I couldn’t hesitate. I had to order now or lose out until next year. At some point his prices will get too high for me. The rods won’t get any better than what he builds now, but he’ll get more well known and that’s when he ask more for his rods. Right now he’s selling them cheap to get known. I’m sure at some point his rods will be up around $2500. I paid $550. A great deal I couldn’t pass up.

    I want a classic reel for it and I think I just found one. I don’t have a reel heavy enough to balance an 8 1/2′ bamboo rod, so I had to find something. I found a Young reel. C&P and reworked by Bulldog to LH wind and tuned springs. It’s got wear on the black paint, but I like that look on bamboo. a brand new shiny reel looks wrong on bamboo.

    So, i’m set. Rod and reel. I’ll have to save up for a Phoenix silk line. I’ll use a Peach until I get it. Maybe by the end of summer I can get the silk. Not too bad.

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 1 week ago by  Creek.
    #7197

    Scotty MacFly
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    I think you did real good. Good timing on your part as well.

    It must be nice to do something you enjoy during the winter and fish all summer. Wish I could do that.

    Thanks for explaining the letter thing. It makes perfect sense.

    I don’t like shiny reels either. Black or green for me. But a dark green like hunter green. These new bright colors on reels these days turn me away.

    #7198

    Creek
    Participant

    If I get the rod in March it will almost be time for the BWO’s on the Ark. I can’t wait.

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