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  • #5289

    Scotty MacFly
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    I’ve always wanted to try an old IM6 Winston. I’m not sure if I’d like the Boron series, I’d have to try one or two.
    You like the Winstons over the Sweetgrass? I hear so many good reviews on Sweetgrass rods. I almost pulled the trigger on a Sweetgrass, but I think I did well with the maker of my bamboo.

    But your rod in the photos I find so interesting. Is it a full flex? I don’t know how old you are, but to fish with a rod older than I would be so cool.

    #5292

    Creek
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    I’ve owned 6 Winston IM6 and WT rods. Very sweet rods.

    Scotty….The WT/IM6 never used boron, so you won’t be getting the true Winston feel with any of the boron rods.

    #5295

    Dark Waters
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    There are differences, Sweetgrass rods are faster than Montana Winston rods. I have never cast a Montana Winston bamboo rod, but the rod makers themselves say their tapers are faster than the Winstons they used to make. And they definitely are fast for bamboo, especially the longer (over 7’6″) 5wts and up, from my experience.

    I am 43 and I have to say that it is cool to fish with an old rod. That rod is 60 years old now. It is more of a mid flex rod, not that it is stiff or anything. The guide spacing is also very different than most rods you see today. The stripping guide is farther away from the grip.

    They made this taper for many years, not sure how it may have changed. I did see pics of a newer one online and the guide spacing looks different, with the stripping guide closer to the grip.

    What kind of started it was a rod I picked up on the classic rod forum classifieds. A 1 tip 1970 7’6″ 3oz Winston with a short tip, and I believe it is short at the female ferrule area also. It is actually only about 7’1″ assembled. To me its a 4/5wt but so far I like it as a medium action 4wt.

    Even with all that… man that thing is a pleasure to cast. It is very progressive. It will cast off the tip, medium, fast, whatever I want and put the fly right on target. It is just so easy to do so. It’s not real pretty or perfect by any means, but just a great rod. That made me want to know what else I’ve been missing.

    #5299

    Scotty MacFly
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    Sounds like that rod is going to be a very special one. I’m glad your having a great time with it.

    As for the Winstons, yeah, I know the Boron is a relatively new thing for Winston.They’ve been making Boron rods for a few years and I have heard mixed reviews, but mostly that they have lost some soul. After all these years of making the Boron rods, they still can’t get it right from what I hear. I never casted a Winston, but would like to try an old IM6 rod or a WT. They sure are popular. You’d think Winston would go back to what it used to be, but some folks do like the Boron. It’s all good I guess. Can a person still have a WT made from Winston?

    #5300

    Creek
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    Last I heard they’ll still make a WT for you, but it’s considered a custom rod and expensive.

    Better off to find a nice used one. Generally, Winston owners take care of their rods and used ones can still look new. I bought a few like that.

    #5306

    Dark Waters
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    There are definitely good deals out there on used WT/IM6 rods. They come up quite often.

    #5314

    JoeFriday
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    Wow… beautiful rod, DW. Thanks for putting up some pics. I’d love to try it (or one like it) someday.

    I’ve never done a side by side comparison of IM6, WT and Boron Winstons but I’ve cast them all. The boron models aren’t bad, but they’re not the same. You’ll see a lot of comments that the boron models they’re making today are ‘the same but better’. Not in my opinion. They’re just faster, which I think covers up that they’re not quite as smooth. As far as graphite rods go, I personally think the IM6 Winstons were the best ever made. The slightly newer WTs were next in line. After that, I kinda lost interest, as did a lot of purists.

    Yes, you can still get a WT made by special order. They cost about the same as any of the new top dollar models you can find in a shop. You’ll just have to wait a while to get yours built. But I’d look for an older used rod, as DW and Creek said. I’ve had two WT 586’s and when I sold them they both looked only slightly used with just a little soiling on the cork. Since I had gotten great deals on them to begin with, I sold them for what I paid.. in essence having free use of them for over 10 years.

    But now that I have some good glass and a taste of grass now, I won’t be acquiring any more graphite unless I see a WT at a garage sale for half it’s actual value. In which case I’ll pounce.

    #5324

    Dark Waters
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    Thanks! Maybe some day I will make it out your way for some fishing. Would like to make the Barclay Clave next year if possible. I spoke with Glenn today about what I’d like to have done with the rod. He said it will be a couple months so I should have it back in time for some fall fishing, my favorite.

    How do you like that grass rod??

    #5340

    Dark Waters
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    Anybody out there fishing? Breathing?

    #5341

    Scotty MacFly
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    I’m alive.

    I’m on vacation in Wash. state right now. Saw some humpback whales jumping out of the water at a place called Cape Disappointment. With all the ship wrecks in that area in the 1800’s, the name fits, but the scenery is very nice. Watching the whales I kept wondering for my own amusement what fly they were jumping at and what size. Texted a picture to a friend and titled it, # Hittin’ Dries! LOL.

    Went to Olympia Nat. Forrest and saw a river that screamed for me to cast a few flies. The water is crystal clear. Makes the clear streams in Colorado look bad. You can literally see the bottom all the way across the river and count every stone beneath the water. This is one beautiful state, but I won’t give up the Rockies. Then again, the summers here in West Port don’t get above 70 Deg. much, and the winters I’m told get around 30 Deg. I’ve been here for a week now and it’s only been around 65 Deg. every day. No one needs air conditioning here. To me it’s the perfect climate. I’m just not much of an ocean person, though my wife loves it. The Pacific is one heck of a piece of water though.

    Went crabbing at the boat docks yesterday and had some fun. Everything we caught was too small to keep, but we enjoyed the experience.

    As soon as we get home, I should be receiving my bamboo rod in the mail. I am excited. I will be fishing a piece of water deeper in the timber that will be new to me. Can’t wait.

    #5342

    Dark Waters
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    Scotty,

    That sounds fantastic! I would love to get out there sooner than later. I enjoy the ocean here, but more up north where it’s a little cooler and more fishy. Glad to hear you are enjoying yourself. I’ve been wondering if you got your rod yet, looking forward to your comments.

    Here in NJ we’re right back in that dry, hot pattern, with really low water. I fished a few days in trout country last weekend but only in warmwater. Every trout stream I checked was 70 or above so I didn’t bother the trout.

    I hope I don’t have to wait till mid September to fish trout around here like I did last year. I finally found an incredible (for me) stream with nice fat brookies and even caught my first tiger trout, odd thing being I’ve never seen or caught a brown in it, yet.

    #5343

    Lightline
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    I just got home from 33 days in Idaho and Montana fishing the best dry fly waters in the area every day! Along with some lesser-known waters, I spent the majority of my time fishing the Livingston spring creeks, Henry’s Fork, and the Missouri, which is the undisputed best dry fly river in America. PMD’s, caddis, brown and green drakes, yellow sallies, and more PMD’s were all on the menu. I avoided any salmonfly mania. There is way too much to put in a trip report, but its all on my blog for anyone interested. Flies, fish, and waters, and a little commentary. wwww.jims-wanderings.blogspot.com

    #5344

    Scotty MacFly
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    Nice blog Lightline! Looks like a trip of a lifetime, and to do it every year, you are blessed. I would like to experience the Missouri sometime, just because I have read so many articles on it saying how magnificent that river is.

    Great pictures as well, and what fish to be had! I hope you do get to do it again next year.

    #5345

    Dark Waters
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    You guys have it good! I gotta get out West and fish.

    #5346

    Scotty MacFly
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    DW, you should. It’s bewildering to me that in Colorado, there are more golfers than fly fishers. And that’s fine, because it leaves more water for me. But there are popular places where you have the potential to catch a large fish, but again I emphasize the word popular like Moraine Park where the Big Thompson flows in RMNP. The Cache La Poudre is another popular river. And don’t forget the Dream Stream. Though as with all rivers, if you go in far enough, you’ll leave the people behind.

    The Arkansas River in the canyon between Canon City and Salida is sometimes pretty well fished, though still plenty of spots to have for yourself. But inside Canon City, no one! And there are spots in town that hold some of the biggest trout I have ever seen. But I guess if you fish in town you really aren’t going out fishing. So everyone goes to the canyon ( where everyone else is at )…..I don’t understand it, but whatever tightens their line I guess.

    In my stretch, there are 3wt waters right off the dirt roads and highways filled with brookies and cutties that you never ever see anyone fish, because they would rather be hiking. And these streams are a good 30ft. wide and knee deep with excellent wading. And they go way back into the timber. Just bring bear spray. Haven’t had any run ins with a bear yet, but I have seen signs of there presence.

    They say the Eagle river holds more fish and quality fish than any other river in Colorado, but it doesn’t get the fishing pressure like the Frying pan or the Blue. The Blue can get populated up by Silverthorne to where it’s not worth it to me.

    If you’re a lake type person, we have high altitude lakes that will make you froth at the mouth. Such majestic scenery and the fish are the only thing more beautiful.

    There are so many different types of water here with solitude, it just takes a little effort to get to in some areas, and no effort at all in others. Either way, you won’t be disappointed.

    Then when you think you had about enough, there’s Wyo. & Mont. and the game starts all over again. It’s just never ending.

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