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    Scotty MacFly
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    This morning at breakfast I normally get on my phone, hit Google and see what’s going on in the world. And if I’m lucky, there will be a fly fishing article.
    I was lucky.

    How to fish small dry flies I believe was the title, and maybe you read it too, and as I was reading about how this guy was setting up his flies, it didn’t seem any different that what most of us do with a bigger fly in front followed by the size 20 something behind.
    So far so good.

    Then he said his guide told him to put a small amount of weight to sink the small trailing dry fly, but not too much weight to sink his lead fly or strike indicator.
    Do what?

    This is what bothers me about this article. or anything in general where it’s one thing and people want to justify it by calling it something else. So the guy is sinking his little Trico, ok, fine. Sink it for all I care, but ( and this is just my opinion, and I won’t take it personal if you disagree ) don’t call it dry fly fishing. By sinking the fly, drowning it, you are now using a dry fly pattern, alternating it’s purpose, and using it as a wet fly. You are now wet fly fishing.

    They said below the riffles, the fish were not taking flies on the surface, so the guide found that if you sink the Trico, the fish were hitting them. Great.. wonderful.

    But why not just use a small wet fly??

    #8010

    Grsdlnr
    Spectator

    Can’t argue with your logic, Scotty. Deliberately sinking any fly with weight isn’t dry fly fishing. I’ve taken fish on sunken spinners before (some days on the Delaware during sulfur spinner falls it was the only way those picky &@$!?%’s would take) but never any added weight.

    #8011

    Scotty MacFly
    Spectator

    I understand that at times a fly, more notably a grasshopper because of it’s mass will sink after awhile. And being in turbulent water will cause it to go under quicker, that’s a no brainer.

    So if I’m fishing a dry, and it gets pulled under from natural causes, and I catch a fish, ok, I can except that, it’s going to happen, and it has with my ant patterns. But keep in mind, that’s not how I intended to fish. Also, terrestrials are well known to sink after awhile, so maybe not a good example. But you get the point I’m sure.

    Deliberately sinking a dry in my book isn’t dry fly fishing. I guess there’s no rule written in stone that say’s Thou shalt not sink a dry fly on purpose. So fine, sink a dry fly, I don’t care. Just don’t call it dry fly fishing.

    Sometimes I think the fish just don’t care how you use a fly. If it looks like a bug, they’ll eat it.

    After all, you can take a banjo and play a heavy metal rock-n-roll tune. Does that automatically make it bluegrass? No. Just a heavy metal rock song played on a banjo. But some people will say it’s now a bluegrass tune just because of the instrument. It’s not the tool that you use, it’s how you use it. Using a dry fly for anything but dry fly fishing is not dry fly fishing. But I will admit that when I started tying flies I have tied PT nymphs on dry fly hooks ( fine wire hooks ) and they floated. To me, if it’s on the surface, you’re dry fly fishing. Below the surface it’s wet or nymphing no matter what fly pattern you have on. So that’s my reasoning.

    Somehow I don’t see creek nymphing with an Adams 😀

    Neither would I.

    #8014

    Creek
    Spectator

    A dry fly to me is an imitation of a real fly that floats on the surface. This would mostly be adults but there are exceptions.

    Taking a fly that naturally would be under the surface and treating it with floatant is not dry fly fishing in my way of looking at it.

    A dry fly to me takes two things. The natural you’re imitating should float on the surface as should the one you tied and are fishing on the surface.

    You could then say an Adams isn’t an exact imitation. True, but it’s still imitating a floating adult mayfly.

    If you sink an Adams you should be hung on the nearest tree.

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