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  • #5900

    Scotty MacFly
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    I am looking for a wax for placing on my thread when tying. I have found UTC wax for that purpose, but to order something less than two dollars and pay for shipping is stupid, unless I buy some foe everyone here, and That woud be fine, I could justify that. Now the UTC thread wax is for UTC thread, and I do use that thread but not as much as I use UNI-Thread.

    Would paraffin wax work for this? Or even ferule wax comes to mind.

    #5902

    wheezeburnt
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    If you’re looking for a dubbing wax, it is usually quite a bit more tacky than either paraffin or ferrule wax.
    Never tried the following, but I believe it will give you a lifetime supply of perfectly adequate dubbing wax for $3.
    http://globalflyfisher.com/tie-better/toilet-ring-dubbing-wax

    brent

    #5903

    Scotty MacFly
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    No Brent. Not a dubbing wax. The wax I need is a wax to put on the thread to hold down hackles or wings better. It just helps the gripping power of the thread. Dubbing wax is too tacky.

    I’m on my phone now warming up the truck, but you find the Davie McPhail fly tying you tube, you will see him use what I am looking for.

    #5904

    Creek
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    Scotty……..If you’re talking about wax for the spiders it’s not what you think. It’s not dubbing wax, because most of the flies don’t use dubbing, but are just silk thread bodies as you know.It’s also not for holding hackle. The wax was used to get the color they wanted in and out of the water. Some are waxed lightly for just a little bit and some are waxed heavy to change the color quite a bit. It turns brown thread almost black. It turns yellow thread an olive color and different shades of olive by how many times you stroke the thread with the wax. You may be surprised to know that the brown thread on the Stewart black spider should be waxed heavy to turn the thread almost black. I know, why not just use black thread. I don’t have an answer. You’ll have to ask Stewart. :)

    Now the wax is a cobblers wax. It’s dark brown or even black depending on how you make it, or you can buy it. It’s made by mixing beeswax, rosin and olive oil. Rosin is black and will determine how dark the wax is by how much of it you use.

    You thought tying spiders would be easy eh? 😀

    • This reply was modified 3 months, 3 weeks ago by  Creek.
    #5906

    Scotty MacFly
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    I have more dubbing wax than I care for that I use for my dry flies for the dubbing.

    I AM NOT LOOKING FOR DUBBING WAX.

    Now, as for the wax changing the color if the thread, that’s news to me. But everyone that uses it in their videos says it will help grip the material.

    Watch Davie & you’ll see what I am talking about. I saw Oliver use what your talking about Creek on his tying spiders video. Kind of the same thing.

    #5907

    Creek
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    Watch Oliver Edwards and you’ll see he agrees with what i’m saying. Davey has become Americanized and I don’t listen to him much if I want to do things the traditional way. I talk to the die hard spiders guys from the UK.

    Look at the wax Olivers uses in the video and you’ll see it’s dark brown. he also talks about one of the flies needed a heavier application to change the thread color.

    You’ll see in the original recipes it says lightly waxed or heavily waxed. You won’t see it in modern recipes for the spiders. They seem to leave it off, or don’t understand why it was there to begin with.

    BTW…No need to yell. Your post to Brent wasn’t there when I started to write my above post.

    • This reply was modified 3 months, 3 weeks ago by  Creek.
    #5909

    wheezeburnt
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    Sorry for the wrong assumption, Scotty. I’ve been dubbing bodies all weekend, and that’s where my mind went.
    brent

    #5910

    Scotty MacFly
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    I’m sorry guys. I thought I made myself clear when I mentioned the UTC wax. I can see where dubbing wax comes into mind first. This is an example why I left the other forum, and I guess I need to think more to clarify myself.

    Hint: take my words as they are, don’t assume anything. If I don’t mention something, it’s because it’s not the issue. For example; on the other forum the post DT vs. WF lines, members assumed things and over analyzed the whole thing. One guy said I needed to learn to double haul…..What? My casting had nothing to do with the subject. Creek, you brought me back into perspective and practical, thank you.
    I just wanted to know the difference in the two and why some prefer one to another, and it blew up in my face.

    Here’s what I’m talking about.

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Davie+McPhail+wax&view=detail&mid=19CB74532D856EA8996119CB74532D856EA89961&FORM=VIRE

    I don’t want to use this for spiders, and I can see why you thought so Creek, we have a 7 page thread on it, lol 😀 Didn’t mean to throw a curve ball when you expected a fast ball. But I did change up to a new subject. It’s all good. 😀

    But no, not for spiders. I am ordering silk thread for spiders, but I’m starting to question that because of the limited strength silk has compared to poly lines like UNI Thread. But I do at least want to try silk and see the difference. It is how I learn the best, but I still want to stay out of the science, the deep science of it all, and keep it simple.

    Again, I apologize if I sounded angry. I’m just impatient at times and I get aggravated at myself.

    But anyway, I found the video, and now I’m going to order some.

    #5911

    wheezeburnt
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    No offense taken, Scotty. Yeah, I watched that DT vs WF thing go off the rails. Seems ‘over there’ it doesn’t take much to trigger a tirade right now. I know from moderating motorcycle fora that this is the time of year that the shack nasties kick in for those of us committed to warm weather sports. Mostly, we all need a little more vitamin D from the original source.
    brent

    #5912

    Creek
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    Who is the other forum?

    #5913

    Scotty MacFly
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    Thanks for understanding. The other forum is getting a little more hostle since more people have joined. There is another member there who has noticed it too. He is awesome. But do not take offence to what I said about new members. Present company excluded.

    #5914

    Scotty MacFly
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    The other forum is NAFFF. There are members all over the world there. There is even a Fly Fishing Forum United Kingdom which is it’s sister forum. You may like that Creek. Should be plenty of spider-men on there.

    That was funny. Spider-men. I kill myself sometimes.

    But don’t get me wrong about it. It’s a fine forum filled with great folks. It’s just that recently some posts have been a little rough trying not to sound rough. I don’t like it. I enjoy a little rib poking now and then with respect to others, but lately it seems the atmosphere is changing there. I still visit to see whats going on with everyone, but I don’t sign in.

    Brent, it sounds as if you have noticed a little of what I am saying. I don’t see this forum following suit. There’s just a few of us here and I believe we get along very well.

    • This reply was modified 3 months, 3 weeks ago by  Scotty MacFly.
    #5915

    Creek
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    Oh ok. I’m on both of those forums, but there’s too many jerks on it. I never go there anymore. The UK forum isn’t as bad, but I could tell they prefer to not have Yanks on it. I wasn’t ignored, but close.

    #5916

    Creek
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    LOL..I just looked and I have 739 posts. Not easy on this forum.

    #5918

    Scotty MacFly
    Participant

    See? I will have to say there are a handful I know of from that forum that I would like to see here. But I won’t name any out of respect for them.

    I’ve said this many times, I like it here, and I don’t want to leave, and have no desire to. Everyone here is….just fantastic. That’s all I can come up with.

    You’re right Creek, the UK forum doesn’t much care for us here. Too bad. Because I personally feel I could learn a great deal about keeping it traditionally simple from them.

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