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I love dogs! Had a rottie years ago. Best darn dog I ever had once it got over it’s teething stage. Ate two sets of sofas it did. When my son was born everyone said to get rid of the dog because it could hurt my son. That was total garbage. That dog protected my son from one and all till the day she died. As soon as we brought our son home from the hospital, she was right there like she knew what it was. I miss that dog. It hurt so much to have her put down when she got old and couldn’t walk anymore, I’m not ready for another.
We were like the Lone Ranger & Silver.
But unlike a dog, I can tell my son to quit wading around so recklessly, ha ha. I couldn’t keep that dog out of the water scaring fish away.
I know what you mean Creek. I could have stuck with one fly yesterday since they took the lead fly 90% of the time. I normally use one fly in fast pocket water because of all the criss crossing seams, because two flies get pulled and dragged all over, and that’s not going to work, but I don’t need to tell you that, I’m sure.
I like fishing two flies when the water will allow me to. Not only does it give me a better chance of catching which to me I am still a little skeptic, because if you can catch a fish using two flies, you ought to be able to do it with one. It may take another cast or two, but if the fish is there, and willing to take, it will. I also believe that as willing as the fish were yesterday, one fly would have been enough, but fishing with two flies also helps me focus on my casting, and that’s what the challenge for the day turned into. I did pretty good yesterday and got tangled only twice. So that’s the challenging part to me is the casting, and even though I try to keep it simple, I look for a challenge in my skill level and work on it. And I like a challenge from time to time. But I still say, for me, when I fish a tandem, the Adams & ant are hard to beat.
I know we are allowed three flies, but with me, nope, that aint gonna happen. I’m not a professional, and never will be if there truly is such a thing, but three flies on, I might as well stay home and tangle my tippet on my own while watching a ball game or something, then try to undo it. It may help me work on my patience if anything. That’s a challenge all by itself, ha ha.
But I knew your answer Creek, and I 100% understand where you’re coming from. But I am curious to know something else I thought of yesterday, and it’s your answer Creek that I am eager to read, but it’s another topic which I will post later today. Right now, my son wants to go fishing tomorrow with me, and he doesn’t do that with me very often, so we are off to get him a license. I wish he’d get into fishing more, but I won’t push him to do something he doesn’t want to do, so when he does want to fish with me, I’ll stop the planet from spinning to fish with my son.
Well, as for the duct tape, like Red says; if the women don’t find you handsome, they’ll find you’re handy.
I have always wanted to go to Labrador and fish for those monster brookies. I have seen shows on that area and it looks beautiful.
- This reply was modified 1 week, 3 days ago by Scotty MacFly.
I’m sorry, I think I worded that wrong. I know snow pack does matter. My comment was driven on the basis of for the last few months all I have been hearing about is people worrying about floods because of the warm temps & amount of snow. I guess I sorta got pulled into that as well, and now seeing that flooding isn’t going to happen, I need to just not listen to what others assume & just see for myself. Funny, I should know that already.
It’s the same thing as when the Broncos lose their first game whether it is the first official game, or if they are already 8 & 0, it doesn’t matter, according to the media, the world is going to end because of it. And I quote Sean Connery in the movie The Avengers; ” Oh do shut up! “.
So sorry, my bad.
I read yesterday that the Arkansas in the canyon between Salida & Canon City is a little lower than expected.
I don’t know how much snow pack the southern part of the state got, but up here it’s normal from what I see. I guess I will no longer worry about snow pack reports in the future because its showing it doesn’t mean a thing concerning run off, unless we get no snow. That would be a problem.
That’s what I was leaning on as well. Most of the graphite rods I own ( have owned ) have been a med/fast action, and even on the water it’s difficult to roll cast them. My form must be perfect to do it, and it’s easier said than done.
The fastest rod I own, and it’s more a fast med/fast to me, is my Radian. That rolls nicely for some reason.
My boo rod is a med/fast, but feels so much like the Redington CT to me which I like a lot, and it roll casts very well.
Here’s something I have wanted to ask because I have been using this technique that you Creek brought up.
Remember when you shared the idea of using dropper tags using a perfection loop and looping it around the tippet instead of using the tippet itself to save tippet material? I have been doing it and like it very much because I can do change ups quicker without wasting my tippet cutting off material and after awhile having to change the whole thing.
I’m using 4X tippet with 4X tags looped around the tippet above my knots, obviously, and I have noticed that after a few fish, my tippet is stretched out above the knots.
Is this happening to you or anyone else doing this?
I’m thinking of keeping the tags 4X, but using 3X tippet. But I’m afraid using 3X won’t be so wise because of presentation value.
Or, would going with a florocarbon tippet in 4X but use 4X mono tags with the dries to help keep the floro from sinking using the non stretch factor of the floro.? Did I explain that ok? I know floro is better at withstanding abrasions, but I’m not sure about stretch.
Ok, your turn.
Busy with life I guess, plus I don’t have anything to say. And lately when I do think of something you guys can help me with, I forget what it is because I got something else going on.
But here is something, June stinks. The run off here is too dangerous even for me to try & wade. I’m not much into fishing lakes, and right now, everyone who is fishing, are at the lakes, & I can’t fish in one spot, I have to move around and do that search & destroy thing. So in June, when the lakes are filled with people shoulder to shoulder, I stay home. I hear the water level is going down on the White River in Meeker, but that river for some reason is different than the others during early & late season. In the Autumn, when water levels here are low, the White River is perfect. What’s the Ark looking like today Creek? Is it still roaring, or starting to come down?
Well, I can only speak of myself here, but when I foul hook a fish I believe whats happening sometimes is a fish is actually rejecting my fly and swiping at it, causing it to be foul hooked. At other times, but more rare with more normal looking takes, I think the fish just misses to fly, which to me seems unlikely, but I guess can happen, and by therefore getting foul hooked. In our fast freestone streams & rivers I suppose it can happen. I don’t know about the waters you fish in Mich..
Under normal conditions, normal being a matter of opinion, when I see the fish take the fly, I just give it a second or two before I lift the rod. It’s almost like the bass fishermen who fish top water lures. They have to pause and feel the pull before they set the hooks. I basically do the same, but don’t wait to feel the pull because a fish will spit the fly out very quickly.
Now, I fish casting upstream with dries, and when a fish see’s the fly I notice, when I fish the boulder gardens in a river, they will turn and go with the current going after the fly. When they take the fly they will turn back around and face the current again looking for food coming towards them from upstream. It’s when they turn upstream is when I set the hook, and by doing that I see the take, count to two and set the hook giving the fish time to turn which in turn gives a very good hook set.
But that’s for casting upstream or up and across. If you’re letting your fly drift below you, it’s a whole other ball game. You will end up missing more fish because they are already facing upstream, so it’s very easy to pull the fly out of their mouth before setting the hook. Also, if you do set the hook, since the fish is generally facing still upstream during the fight but downstream of you, all the twisting and shaking will loosen the hook even quicker because there isn’t the tightness of the leader and tippet going against the pull helping to keep the hook in the fish like if the fish is upstream of you. Catching fish downstream can give you lots of issues creating an opportunity for the fish to spit the fly.
In other words, hooking a fish upstream you will pretty much have constant tension unless the fish gets below you, then you have to fight to keep the tension even more, but can lose it at any given moment if you lose focus or play the fish too long. That’s why you see people losing Atlantic Salmon often because they allow the fly to swing down and across. I see no difference in trout fishing catching fish downstream. You’re going to lose more fish….period.
I have also said things like hot dog after seeing the take and before setting the hook. That works well too.
So if you’re casting upstream, give it a second, then set the hook. If you’re casting downstream, I suggest you turn around and cast upstream. Maybe the others here can give you more in depth advice than I can.
All is good guys. It’s nice to know I have some friends out there.
The Poudre is in flood advisary right now, and I heard that the Gunnison is at 15,000 cfs. I do hope I heard that right. My wife did spell the numbers out to me because it seemed unreal, so I do believe it is at 15,000. I wonder what the Arkansas is like where Creek lives? I bet it’s just nuts. I remember as a kid the Arkansas in Canon City would roar this time of year, but this year, I would imagine it’s even louder.
I’ll be back on the Saint Vrain tomorrow, but who knows for how long.
Not in Colorado. There are areas on the plains like the tail waters of the Arkansas River outside of Pueblo you can do that, and the Saint Vrain below my house you can as well, but the fishing isn’t that good in that area because the fish seem to stop and hang out in Longmont just west of me.
The areas that I go are so rough and rocky, and footing even in broad daylight is questionable sometimes. You can’t ( or shouldn’t ) move one foot till the other is firmly planted. We get that rock snot in many areas which makes wading even harder. The wild trout waters on the Poudre River get it bad, and it’s almost enough to make you give up just because of the danger involved.
I stepped around a big rock near the bank one day as I was wading, and I stepped in a hole where I went under. If my son wasn’t standing on the bank reaching for me, who knows what would have happened.
Our freestone waters are just too dangerous to wade at night, which is too bad because I have heard many reports that in the Cache’ La Poudre River giant browns come out to play grabbing mouse patterns.
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That’s why I stay out of politics and government issues. I can’t keep up with it.
In your case Creek, it wouldn’t help you and others in the same situation at all and that’s not fair to any of you. It wouldn’t work then. When it comes to breaks, I am totally believing our retired citizens get all the breaks first. No one should have to work all their life and lose it all due to injury, sickness, or being scammed out of it. I hate seeing good honest retirees have to come out of retirement just to pay medical bills. Nope, sorry Creek, you are right. You’d be loseing out if that happened and you would lose your fishing.
I hear the DOW is still wanting to up the price. If they do, and with the # of days I can fish these days, a daily residential license is all I’ll pay. So pay as I go I guess.
Brent, I really like your idea about deductions at tax time. You got my vote.
It appears CO. no longer has the lifetime license. When you turn 64 it now costs $1.00 annual. I believe the DOW thinks the older you get, the less fishing you will do due to age issues. And I know it happens to some where the body can’t do things like it used to, but there are some who are in great shape in their 70’s. I hope I am one of those when I get there.
But whose to say really on why they do what they do. It’s government, and I stay out of that stuff.
But I still like your way of thinking Brent.
You both gave me advice I didn’t think of.
I was using about a 12 leader & tippet set up and using 5x tippet. So going shorter and thicker may be one answer to the problem.
Yes Creek, I was targeting all the soft water I could find. Not too deep or muddy. I could still see rocks below the surface. I do remember watching an episode of The New Fly fisher and Bill Spicer said to twitch the caddis because it spotters across the water. Thanks for bringing that up. Maybe I will have to give it another go before I give those flies the eviction notice.