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Amen to that!
I noticed the time of your posts Binny, where do you live?
Bat-fly, Wow, you were listening! The books Oliver refers to are I believe to be:
The Practical Angler by W.C. Stewart.
Dry Fly Fishing by F.M. Halford
Brook and River Trouting by Hairfield H. Edmonds, and Norman N. Lee
North Country Flies by T.E. Pritt may be put in there as well.
Maybe when Creek gets back from hunting bear, he could tell you for sure. He is a wealth of knowledge here on the forum.
I do know The Practical Angler is one of them. They are all old books, written by anglers from Great Britain. This is a great book, and a must read. Some people say to take the information in these books with a grain of salt, because things have changed over the years, but I say since these tactics worked back then, they will still work today, and they do work.
It was my grandfather who, him and my grandmother, both from Scotland, he taught me the ways of Stewart. All he fished with were wet and dry flies. He didn’t like nymphing because it would become hypnotic just flinging your fly up and across and lead it down stream. It was the same thing every cast, and I find the same in it. But upstream dry fly fishing, you’re always working at something, basically line control.
- This reply was modified 19 hours ago by Scotty MacFly.
Hello Binny! Welcome to the best dry fly forum there is.
We are a very, VERY, small group, but we have the finest people here.
Dry fly fishers are stereotyped as snobs, but that’s usually coming from bait fishermen. But I’m sure you will see that we are anything but snobs. We just enjoy dry fly action over anything else, as I am sure you do as well or you wouldn’t be here, ha ha. 😃
So join in and don’t be shy. But be patient. Like I said, we are a small group, so it may take a day for a response to a post. But the more people we get, hey, who knows what could happen here.
Tell us a little about your background if you don’t mind, so we can get to know you better.
Hey bat-fly, here’s a video of a fishing legend. He’s fishing with wet flies ( which to me is almost as fun as dry flies )and the techniques he is using is a lot like what I use when fishing dries.
Listen closely to what he says on each style. But it’s the casting upstream way that’s the most fun, and you’re working at it all the time. It’s the across and downstream that’s not really the way to fish, and he explains why.
Gotcha, But I didn’t know you could use muzzleloaders during rifle season.
Well good for you then, and I hope you get a good one this season.
Please be careful. And I mean watch your back from the crazies that come here to hunt. I know you don’t drink, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t someone out there who has already had a few and holding a rifle.
Don’t know if you noticed, but we have a rookie new comer on the forum. He lives here in CO. and lives close to the Poudre. He wants to learn fly fishing with dries and thought this be a good place to start.
Good luck hunting buddy?
As for line, try Cortland Classic 444 Peach. Its great for fiberglass and bamboo. Also there is Scientific Anglers Ultra Heritage.
And the really good thing about these lines are they are only half the price of the other popular brands.
Being on the Poudre, I would use the weight forward in a 5 weight line.
We have a member here who has that same rod. I’m sure he could give you better advice than I on what weight line to use or if you should use a double taper line instead of a weight forward.
The best advice I ever got was to keep it simple. And I agree with that. Fly fishing should be a time that you can get out and not have to think too much about anything. It should just be fun, whether you catch a fish or not.
Since you are new to this, it takes awhile to understand what you need to do and how to do it. You will get frustrated, and want to give up. Don’t.
Keep with it, learn what you can on the water and on this forum too. Sooner or later you will catch your first fish, and you’ll notice where it was, either behind a rock, the outside of a seam, whatever, and things will start to click in your head, and you’ll take notice of it.
- This reply was modified 4 days, 21 hours ago by Scotty MacFly.
Welcome to the forum Bat Fly. It’s a small forum, but between the few of us, I think we can help you, and help you teach your boys. It’s good for a dad to want to teach their kids about this sport.
The Poudre is the Cache La Poudre? Ft. Collins? If it is, then son of a gun, that’s a river I fish often. And if it is, then a big welcome to another Coloradan.
The CGR rod is a wonderful rod. We have another member here who has one as well, and he likes it quite well.
Ask away any questions you have, and we will do our best to help get you started. I trust you are interested in dry fly? I hope so, because there’s nothing like it. There are no stupid questions, so don’t be afraid to ask.
And I hope you stay awhile. This is a very small forum, a specific forum, but we are flexible. I think whats best about this forum when it comes to new people in this sport is, you won’t get so many different opinions to make your head spin. We like to keep things simple here.
Brent, I hate to see you leave. You’ve been a solid contributor on this forum and I really enjoy your comments and fishing stories.
I wish you the best in your fishing adventures up in Canada, and if you get to a place where you get curious about what’s going on here, please drop in. You’ll always be welcomed.
Take care my friend.
Exactly! I believe that’s the root of my problem. And that bugs me to death.
Ha ha, I like that attitude of yours.
I could just watch the end of my line for a twitch. Or get a few of those mini cons (I think they are called )that Oliver Edwards uses on his videos to detect a strike.
How small do you go creek. Around 16?
I generally go 18, but on rare ocassions I might go 20. I don’t fish the still waters very much. I like the moving water and using a larger fly works well. But where I am at, and the waters I fish I have to really adapt to this time of year on the creeks I fish. My bigger flies are being rejected, and the flow is not what it was a few weeks ago.
This is something I struggle with, and because the water level is lower, sometimes two flies don’t work because the first fly enters into a braided seam and drags the other behind. So I like using 1 fly in the Fall.
Ah, ok, I understand now. Thanks.
Brent, with all due respect my friend, I think you went way out and took this somewhere it was not meant to go.
Let me quote you, “On those days when I’m feeling a tad dissatisfied with my fishing, I cannot say I could honestly say that the rod was to blame.”
In no way am I saying the new rods today are not better, or worse. I’m just wondering if there will be a time when all fly rod companies say that they have gone as far as anyone can, because there isn’t any better material out there to use.
Or am I misunderstanding your post? It does make sense though. I like the part about the market being saturated with older rods that were top shelf, and the manufacturer trying to convince us that the rod I bought two years ago is now obsolete. I didn’t think of that scenario. Good point.
I must say, as for the new Scott G Series, I wish the 904 felt like the 884, and the 884 felt like the 804. As the rods got shorter, they got softer.
I think you’re right about stronger materials for thinner, lighter rods creek. That makes perfect sense. The Scott Flex is thinner I have noticed. Scott does make their blanks with a larger diameter, which they say allows them to make thinner walls. Which is why they have the unsanded blanks for strength as well. I agree with their thinking, but really just like the looks of them.
Ok, so a special resin will make a rod stronger, and I’m thinking of the Orvis H2 and now the H3 which is said even stronger. Ok, great. So what.
I only broke one rod in my life and that was my grandfathers rod when he was teaching me to cast. Ever since then, I have been careful and not broke one since then. I don’t believe stronger in some aspects is better. One should know how to work a rod and avoid doing something that will break it. Accidents happen, I understand that.
When I casted all those Scott rods I will say I liked them. They casted well and smooth. Accuracy was there for the normal casting distance I do. I can’t say anything bad about Scott rods. Well, the Tidal can be tweeked a little better, but all in all I enjoyed how they felt casting. And I think that’s what we look for ultimately, isn’t it. We try out rods and choose the one we personally like because of certain aspects, and feel is very important to me. Parking lot casts are a waste of time in my opinion. I don’t mind opening it up and letting the line sail as far as I can, but only after I check out the other practicalities of the rod. I still like the feel of the Redington C.T. Series, and they aren’t new. Not as old as the Winston W.T. rods, but even they have a loyal following because folks like the way they feel. I have not tried one, or ever seen one, but maybe someday that will change.
This is just my opinion, but the root definition of change is, it’s what we do because we didn’t get it right in the first place, or second, or third and so on. I had one guy at work tell me change is constant. I asked why? He said he couldn’t answer that. I said, because we didn’t get it right….stupid. At work I have seen things change so much, it’s gone full circle. And by the time it does that it’s because we have an entirely new engineering group who never saw the old ways. Will fly rod designs go full circle? I don’t know. I’ll tell you now I think cars were better built 50 years ago, and they were simple. Now a days, with all the technology, they are not better. They just turned out to be overpriced headaches that cost more to repair. And the more bells and whistles it has, the more problems you will have. Sorry, I’m getting off track here.
I like some of the older rods that I have been blessed to fish with. Not all, but some. I guess it comes down to that saying, ” if it aint broke, don’t fix it.”, but if you want sales, you better keep up with the Jones’s.
It’s a shame sometimes.
- This reply was modified 2 weeks, 2 days ago by Scotty MacFly.